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In Oregon, stark rural-urban divide fuels climate dispute

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In Oregon, stark rural-urban divide fuels climate dispute

2019-06-26 12:42 Last Updated At:12:50

The divide in Oregon between the state's liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas has made it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation.

Eleven Republican senators are entering the seventh day of a walkout Wednesday to deny the supermajority Democrats the quorum needed to vote on a cap and trade bill that would be the second of its kind in the U.S. The stalemate has drawn international attention, in part because right-wing militias have rallied to the GOP cause.

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FILE  - In this June 20, 2019, file photo, a diesel truck that belongs to a self-employed logger is parked in Salem, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas has made it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over a national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoGillian Flaccus, File)

The divide in Oregon between the state's liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas has made it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation.

FILE - In this Thursday, June 20, 2019, file photo, a TV reporter interviews self-employed logger Bridger Hasbrouck, of Dallas, Ore., outside the Oregon State House in Salem, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state's liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the partisan crisis currently unfolding there. Rural voters worry the cap-and-trade bill would be the end for logging and trucking. "It's going to ruin so many lives, it's going to put so many people out of work," said Bridger Hasbrouck, a self-employed logger from Dallas, Ore. (AP PhotoGillian Flaccus, File)

"This is not the Oregon Way and cannot be rewarded," said Democratic Gov. Kate Brown. "The Republicans are driving us away from the values that Oregonians hold dear, and are moving us dangerously close to the self-serving stalemate in Washington, D.C."

FILE  - In this Oct. 17, 2018, file photo, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown speaks during a rally in Portland, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state's liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. “This is not the Oregon Way and cannot be rewarded,” said Democratic Brown. “The Republicans are driving us away from the values that Oregonians hold dear, and are moving us dangerously close to the self-serving stalemate in Washington, D.C." (AP PhotoDon Ryan, File)

"The reality is that it is a much more divided state than people realize," she said. "It's kind of like a perfect storm for this kind of thing to happen."

FILE - This Jan. 27, 2015, file photo, shows the "Portland, Oregon" sign in downtown Portland, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. As Portland has boomed, huge swaths of the state have been left without enough money to keep libraries open or fully staff sheriff’s departments. (AP PhotoDon Ryan, File)

"It's going to ruin so many lives, it's going to put so many people out of work," said Bridger Hasbrouck, a self-employed logger from Dallas, Oregon. "If the guys that I'm cutting for can't afford to run their logging companies, then I have to figure out something different."

FILE - In this Monday, Jan. 4, 2016, file photo, members of the group occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters stand guard near Burns, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over the national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoRick Bowmer, File)

Republicans say it will kill jobs, raise the cost of fuel and other goods and gut small businesses. They also say that they've been left out of policy negotiations, an assertion the governor called "hogwash."

FILE - In this June 4, 2019, file photo, supporters attend a rally for a group of young people who filed a lawsuit saying U.S. energy policies are causing climate change and hurting their future, in Portland, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over a national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoSteve Dipaola, File)

Some also worry the climate standoff could put Oregon back in the crosshairs of an anti-government movement that in 2016 used the federal prosecution of two ranchers to mobilize an armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. One militia member was killed and another injured in weeks-long standoff protesting the U.S. government's management of vast swaths of the American West.

FILE - In this March 23, 2016, file photo, is part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge outside of Burns, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over the national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (Dave KillenThe Oregonian via AP, File)

"In frustration, there are organizations and individuals who have stepped into a leadership gap and are attempting to provide parallel leadership," he said. "But that leadership is led by ... bigotry and threats of violence."

FILE - In this May 7, 2019, file photo, a group including three Democratic senators stand among the empty desks of Republican senators during a Senate floor session at the Oregon State Capitol in Salem, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal urban centers and its conservative rural areas makes it ripe for the political crisis unfolding over sweeping climate legislation. Eleven Republican senators are entering the seventh day of a walkout to deny the supermajority Democrats the quorum needed to vote on a cap-and-trade bill that would be the second of its kind in the U.S. (Connor RadnovichStatesman-Journal via AP, File)

For now, it's unclear how that drama will play out. The governor said late Tuesday that the Democrats no longer have the votes needed to pass the bill even if Republicans were to return, but the GOP still stayed away.

One Republican lawmaker said state troopers dispatched to hunt down the rogue lawmakers should "come heavily armed" if they want to bring him back to the Capitol — a departure from traditional bipartisan cooperation.

FILE  - In this June 20, 2019, file photo, a diesel truck that belongs to a self-employed logger is parked in Salem, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas has made it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over a national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoGillian Flaccus, File)

FILE - In this June 20, 2019, file photo, a diesel truck that belongs to a self-employed logger is parked in Salem, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas has made it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over a national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoGillian Flaccus, File)

"This is not the Oregon Way and cannot be rewarded," said Democratic Gov. Kate Brown. "The Republicans are driving us away from the values that Oregonians hold dear, and are moving us dangerously close to the self-serving stalemate in Washington, D.C."

Experts say the standoff was inevitable given the state's political make-up.

Oregon has a national reputation as a liberal bastion best known for its craft beer, doughnuts and award-winning wine. But while the state's urban centers lean left, about 40% of residents — mostly those in rural areas — consistently vote Republican, said Priscilla Southwell, a University of Oregon professor who wrote "Governing Oregon."

FILE - In this Thursday, June 20, 2019, file photo, a TV reporter interviews self-employed logger Bridger Hasbrouck, of Dallas, Ore., outside the Oregon State House in Salem, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state's liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the partisan crisis currently unfolding there. Rural voters worry the cap-and-trade bill would be the end for logging and trucking. "It's going to ruin so many lives, it's going to put so many people out of work," said Bridger Hasbrouck, a self-employed logger from Dallas, Ore. (AP PhotoGillian Flaccus, File)

FILE - In this Thursday, June 20, 2019, file photo, a TV reporter interviews self-employed logger Bridger Hasbrouck, of Dallas, Ore., outside the Oregon State House in Salem, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state's liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the partisan crisis currently unfolding there. Rural voters worry the cap-and-trade bill would be the end for logging and trucking. "It's going to ruin so many lives, it's going to put so many people out of work," said Bridger Hasbrouck, a self-employed logger from Dallas, Ore. (AP PhotoGillian Flaccus, File)

"The reality is that it is a much more divided state than people realize," she said. "It's kind of like a perfect storm for this kind of thing to happen."

That political divide also translates to an economic chasm for many. As Portland has boomed, huge swaths of the state have been left without enough money to keep libraries open or fully staff sheriff's departments.

Logging, which once thrived, has almost vanished because of environmental restrictions and a changing global economy. Rural voters worry the cap-and-trade bill would be the end for logging and trucking.

FILE  - In this Oct. 17, 2018, file photo, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown speaks during a rally in Portland, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state's liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. “This is not the Oregon Way and cannot be rewarded,” said Democratic Brown. “The Republicans are driving us away from the values that Oregonians hold dear, and are moving us dangerously close to the self-serving stalemate in Washington, D.C." (AP PhotoDon Ryan, File)

FILE - In this Oct. 17, 2018, file photo, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown speaks during a rally in Portland, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state's liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. “This is not the Oregon Way and cannot be rewarded,” said Democratic Brown. “The Republicans are driving us away from the values that Oregonians hold dear, and are moving us dangerously close to the self-serving stalemate in Washington, D.C." (AP PhotoDon Ryan, File)

"It's going to ruin so many lives, it's going to put so many people out of work," said Bridger Hasbrouck, a self-employed logger from Dallas, Oregon. "If the guys that I'm cutting for can't afford to run their logging companies, then I have to figure out something different."

The proposal would dramatically reduce greenhouse gases over 30 years by capping carbon emissions and requiring businesses to buy or trade from an ever-dwindling pool of pollution "allowances."

Democrats say the legislation is critical to make Oregon a leader in the fight against climate change and will ultimately create jobs and transform the economy.

FILE - This Jan. 27, 2015, file photo, shows the "Portland, Oregon" sign in downtown Portland, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. As Portland has boomed, huge swaths of the state have been left without enough money to keep libraries open or fully staff sheriff’s departments. (AP PhotoDon Ryan, File)

FILE - This Jan. 27, 2015, file photo, shows the "Portland, Oregon" sign in downtown Portland, Ore. The stark divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. As Portland has boomed, huge swaths of the state have been left without enough money to keep libraries open or fully staff sheriff’s departments. (AP PhotoDon Ryan, File)

Republicans say it will kill jobs, raise the cost of fuel and other goods and gut small businesses. They also say that they've been left out of policy negotiations, an assertion the governor called "hogwash."

Yet that sense of rural alienation gives right-wing groups such as the Oregon Three Percenters a way into the conversation by portraying the climate bill as a stand-in for a number of concerns held by rural, conservative voters nationally, said Chris Shortell, chairman of Portland State University's political science department.

"It highlights the ways in which local politics have become nationalized," he said. "It's not just about the climate change bill in Oregon. Now it's about, 'Are Democrats legitimate in acting this way?'"

FILE - In this Monday, Jan. 4, 2016, file photo, members of the group occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters stand guard near Burns, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over the national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoRick Bowmer, File)

FILE - In this Monday, Jan. 4, 2016, file photo, members of the group occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters stand guard near Burns, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over the national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoRick Bowmer, File)

Some also worry the climate standoff could put Oregon back in the crosshairs of an anti-government movement that in 2016 used the federal prosecution of two ranchers to mobilize an armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. One militia member was killed and another injured in weeks-long standoff protesting the U.S. government's management of vast swaths of the American West.

During the current political crisis, one militia group offered safe passage to the rogue GOP senators and the Capitol shut down last Saturday because of what police called a credible "militia threat."

Right-wing and nationalist groups have been increasingly visible in Oregon over the past five years as rural voters get more disillusioned, said Eric Ward, executive director of the Portland-based Western States Center.

FILE - In this June 4, 2019, file photo, supporters attend a rally for a group of young people who filed a lawsuit saying U.S. energy policies are causing climate change and hurting their future, in Portland, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over a national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoSteve Dipaola, File)

FILE - In this June 4, 2019, file photo, supporters attend a rally for a group of young people who filed a lawsuit saying U.S. energy policies are causing climate change and hurting their future, in Portland, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over a national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (AP PhotoSteve Dipaola, File)

"In frustration, there are organizations and individuals who have stepped into a leadership gap and are attempting to provide parallel leadership," he said. "But that leadership is led by ... bigotry and threats of violence."

For more than 50 years, the rural U.S. West has undergone tremendous change as federal protections for forestland and endangered species reshaped residents' relationship with the land, said Patty Limerick, faculty director at the Center of the American West at the University of Colorado, Boulder.

"Sometimes a historical shakeup takes a couple of decades for people to adjust and sometimes it takes a couple of centuries," Limerick said. "I think we ought to understand that this is a really different world from 50 years ago — and no wonder that some people feel that it's time for acts of desperation and dramatically staged opposition."

FILE - In this March 23, 2016, file photo, is part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge outside of Burns, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over the national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (Dave KillenThe Oregonian via AP, File)

FILE - In this March 23, 2016, file photo, is part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge outside of Burns, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal, urban population centers and its conservative and economically depressed rural areas makes it fertile ground for the political crisis unfolding over a push by Democrats to enact sweeping climate legislation. Just three years after armed militia members took over the national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon, some of the same groups are now seizing on a walkout by Oregon’s GOP senators to broadcast their anti-establishment message. (Dave KillenThe Oregonian via AP, File)

For now, it's unclear how that drama will play out. The governor said late Tuesday that the Democrats no longer have the votes needed to pass the bill even if Republicans were to return, but the GOP still stayed away.

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FILE - In this May 7, 2019, file photo, a group including three Democratic senators stand among the empty desks of Republican senators during a Senate floor session at the Oregon State Capitol in Salem, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal urban centers and its conservative rural areas makes it ripe for the political crisis unfolding over sweeping climate legislation. Eleven Republican senators are entering the seventh day of a walkout to deny the supermajority Democrats the quorum needed to vote on a cap-and-trade bill that would be the second of its kind in the U.S. (Connor RadnovichStatesman-Journal via AP, File)

FILE - In this May 7, 2019, file photo, a group including three Democratic senators stand among the empty desks of Republican senators during a Senate floor session at the Oregon State Capitol in Salem, Ore. The divide in Oregon between the state’s liberal urban centers and its conservative rural areas makes it ripe for the political crisis unfolding over sweeping climate legislation. Eleven Republican senators are entering the seventh day of a walkout to deny the supermajority Democrats the quorum needed to vote on a cap-and-trade bill that would be the second of its kind in the U.S. (Connor RadnovichStatesman-Journal via AP, File)

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US envoy to UN visits Nagasaki A-bomb museum, pays tribute to victims

2024-04-19 20:20 Last Updated At:20:31

TOKYO (AP) — The American envoy to the United Nations called Friday for countries armed with atomic weapons to pursue nuclear disarmament as she visited the atomic bomb museum in Nagasaki, Japan.

Linda Thomas-Greenfield, who became the first U.S. cabinet member to visit Nagasaki, stressed the importance of dialogue and diplomacy amid a growing nuclear threat in the region.

“We must continue to work together to create an environment for nuclear disarmament. We must continue to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons in every corner of the world,” she said after a tour of the atomic bomb museum.

“For those of us who already have those weapons, we must pursue arms control. We can and must work to ensure that Nagasaki is the last place to ever experience the horror of nuclear weapons,” she added, standing in front of colorful hanging origami cranes, a symbol of peace.

The United States dropped the world’s first atomic bomb on Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945, destroying the city and killing 140,000 people. A second attack three days later on Nagasaki killed 70,000 more people. Japan surrendered on Aug. 15, ending World War II and its nearly half-century of aggression in Asia.

Nagasaki Gov. Kengo Oishi said in a statement that he believed Thomas-Greenfield's visit and her first-person experience at the museum “will be a strong message in promoting momentum of nuclear disarmament for the international society at a time the world faces a severe environment surrounding atomic weapons.”

Oishi said he conveyed to the ambassador the increasingly important role of Nagasaki and Hiroshima in emphasizing the need of nuclear disarmament.

Thomas-Greenfield's visit to Japan comes on the heels of Prime Minister Fumio Kishida's official visit to the United States last week and is aimed at deepening Washington's trilateral ties with Tokyo and Seoul. During her visit to South Korea earlier this week, she held talks with South Korean officials, met with defectors from North Korea and visited the demilitarized zone.

The ambassador said the United States is looking into setting up a new mechanism for monitoring North Korea's nuclear weapons program. Russia and China have thwarted U.S.-led efforts to step up U.N. sanctions on North Korea over its ballistic missile testing since 2022, underscoring a deepening divide between permanent Security Council members over Russia’s war on Ukraine.

She said it would be “optimal” to launch the new system next month, though it is uncertain if that is possible.

The U.N. Security Council established a committee to monitor sanctions, and the mandate for its panel of experts to investigate violations had been renewed for 14 years until last month, when Russia vetoed another renewal.

In its most recent report, the panel of experts said it is investigating 58 suspected North Korean cyberattacks between 2017 and 2023 valued at approximately $3 billion, with the money reportedly being used to help fund its weapons development.

The United States, Japan and South Korea have been deepening security ties amid growing tension in the region from North Korea and China.

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, right, shake hands during a meeting Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, right, shake hands during a meeting Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, right, shake hands during a meeting Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, right, shake hands during a meeting Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, right, speaks to Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Ambassador to Japan, second right, as they wait for a meeting with Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, right, speaks to Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Ambassador to Japan, second right, as they wait for a meeting with Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Ambassador to Japan, right, walk to meet Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Ambassador to Japan, right, walk to meet Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, right, talk prior to a meeting Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, right, talk prior to a meeting Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, right, prepare to talk during a meeting Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, left, and Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, right, prepare to talk during a meeting Friday, April 19, 2024, at prime minister's office in Tokyo. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko, Pool)

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