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Key takeaways from ambassador's testimony on Ukraine

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Key takeaways from ambassador's testimony on Ukraine

2019-10-23 08:52 Last Updated At:09:00

Maybe it was a quid pro quo after all.

A top U.S. diplomat told House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that President Donald Trump was withholding military aid to Ukraine unless the country's president went public with a promise to investigate Democrats.

William Taylor's 15-page opening statement — delivered as part of a closed-door deposition — is now central to the impeachment inquiry. It contradicts Trump's repeated denials, and details what Taylor says was a pressure campaign against Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to investigate Democrats and a company linked to the family of Trump's potential 2020 Democratic rival Joe Biden.

A top U.S. diplomat, William Taylor, departs the Capitol after testifying in the Democrats' impeachment investigation of President Donald Trump, in Washington, Tuesday, Oct. 22, 2019. (AP PhotoJ. Scott Applewhite)

A top U.S. diplomat, William Taylor, departs the Capitol after testifying in the Democrats' impeachment investigation of President Donald Trump, in Washington, Tuesday, Oct. 22, 2019. (AP PhotoJ. Scott Applewhite)

Democrats said they were shocked and disturbed by what they heard.

A look at the key takeaways from Taylor's statement, which was obtained by The Associated Press:

PUTTING UKRAINE'S LEADER 'IN A PUBLIC BOX'

A top U.S. diplomat in Urkraine, Ambassador William Taylor, departs the Capitol after testifying in the Democrats' impeachment investigation of President Donald Trump, in Washington, Tuesday, Oct. 22, 2019. Taylor testified behind closed doors that President Donald Trump was holding back military aid for Ukraine unless the country agreed to investigate Democrats and a company linked to Joe Biden, providing lawmakers with a detailed new account of the quid pro quo central to the impeachment probe. (AP PhotoJ. Scott Applewhite)

A top U.S. diplomat in Urkraine, Ambassador William Taylor, departs the Capitol after testifying in the Democrats' impeachment investigation of President Donald Trump, in Washington, Tuesday, Oct. 22, 2019. Taylor testified behind closed doors that President Donald Trump was holding back military aid for Ukraine unless the country agreed to investigate Democrats and a company linked to Joe Biden, providing lawmakers with a detailed new account of the quid pro quo central to the impeachment probe. (AP PhotoJ. Scott Applewhite)

In his statement, Taylor recounts conversations with other officials in the Trump administration, including Ambassador Gordon Sondland.

While Sondland told lawmakers he had spoken with Trump before reassuring Taylor on Sept. 1 that there was no quid pro quo with Ukraine, Taylor remembers the call with Sondland differently.

"During that phone call, Ambassador Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelenskiy to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U. S. election," Taylor said in the statement. Biden's son, Hunter, served as a board member of Burisma Holdings.

Crucially, according to Taylor, Sondland said "everything" Ukraine wanted was contingent upon Ukraine opening an investigation, including the military assistance approved by Congress that Trump was holding back.

"He said that President Trump wanted President Zelenskiy 'in a public box,'" Taylor said.

KEPT IN THE DARK

Taylor testified he took over the embassy in Ukraine earlier this year, after the ousting of former Ambassador Maria Yovanovitch. He spoke with her about the job offer, and she urged him to go, "both for policy reasons and for the morale of the embassy." (Yovanovitch testified to impeachment investigators earlier this month that Trump had her removed from Ukraine.)

But he felt increasingly in the dark, as did others, about what was really happening with Ukraine policy. He was even kept in the dark about Trump's call on July 25 with Zelenskiy.

"Strangely," Taylor said, "even though I was Chief of Mission and was scheduled to meet with President Zelenskiy along with Ambassador Volker the following day," he received no readout of the call from the White House. "The Ukrainian government issued a short, cryptic summary."

THE TWO CHANNELS

Taylor detailed an unusual arrangement for U.S. policymaking involving Ukraine — an official channel through the State Department and a "highly irregular" channel.

That irregular channel, Taylor told lawmakers, involved Rudy Giuliani, the president's personal lawyer; Sondland; U.S. special representative for Ukraine Kurt Volker; and Energy Secretary Rick Perry. The group was so well-connected in Washington that they could operate outside of the official State Department channels, he said. And they did.

Members of the group also took strides to avoid having their conversations documented, Taylor said.

In one instance, Sondland told Taylor that he didn't want some U.S. officials to listen in to a call in June. The next day, when the call was to take place, Sondland said he wanted to "make sure no one was transcribing or monitoring" as Zelenskiy joined the call, Taylor said.

Taylor also said that by mid-July it was clear that any meeting between Trump and Zelenskiy would have to come after Zelenskiy agreed to investigate Burisma Holdings.

"It was also clear that this condition was driven by the irregular policy channel I had come to understand was guided by Mr. Giuliani," Taylor said.

THE CABINET SECRETARIES SCRAMBLE

Taylor said he first learned aid was being held from Ukraine on July 18, during a video conference, from a staff member at the Office of Management and Budget.

"In an instant, I realized that one of the key pillars of our strong support for Ukraine was threatened," he said.

The State Department, the Defense Department, the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Adviser all thought the president should reverse course, Taylor said. They tried to get a meeting but it never happened, he told lawmakers.

GRAVELY NEEDED ASSISTANCE

Taylor described an urgent need for the military aid. He and Volker went to the front lines in northern Ukraine shortly after the July 25 call, where Russian-backed forces were fighting, to get a briefing from the commander of forces there. The commander there thanked them for the security assistance. "But I was aware that this assistance was on hold, which made me uncomfortable," he said. He noted more than 13,000 Ukrainians had been killed. And more "undoubtedly" would die without the U.S. assistance.

When Vice President Mike Pence met with Zelenskiy on Sept. 1, Zelenskiy asked almost immediately about the security aid, Taylor said he was told.

In subsequent meetings, Taylor said Sondland told him that the restoration of aid to Ukraine was dependent on Zelenskiy making a public statement that he would investigate the Bidens.

TRUMP THE BUSINESSMAN

Taylor told lawmakers that Sondland tried, at one point, to explain the dealings with Ukraine by stating that "President Trump is a businessman." ''When a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check," he recalls Sondland saying.

Volker used the same terms later. Taylor said that he argued to both the explanation made no sense, because Ukraine owed Trump nothing.

"And holding up security assistance for domestic political gain was 'crazy' as I had said in my text message," he said, referring to a text released by House Democrats.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Israel this week briefed Biden administration officials on a plan to evacuate Palestinian civilians ahead of a potential operation in the southern Gaza city of Rafah aimed at rooting out Hamas militants, according to U.S. officials familiar with the talks.

The officials, who were not authorized to comment publicly and requested anonymity to speak about the sensitive exchange, said that the plan detailed by the Israelis did not change the U.S. administration’s view that moving forward with an operation in Rafah would put too many innocent Palestinian civilians at risk.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to carry out a military operation in Rafah despite warnings from President Joe Biden and other western officials that doing so would result in more civilian deaths and worsen an already dire humanitarian crisis.

The Biden administration has said there could be consequences for Israel should it move forward with the operation without a credible plan to safeguard civilians.

“Absent such a plan, we can’t support a major military operation going into Rafah because the damage it would do is beyond what’s acceptable,” U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said late Friday at the Sedona Forum, an event in Arizona hosted by the McCain Institute.

Some 1.5 million Palestinians have sheltered in the southern Gaza city as the territory has been ravaged by the war that began on Oct. 7 after Hamas militants attacked Israel, killing 1,200 people and taking about 250 hostages.

The United Nations humanitarian aid agency on Friday said that hundreds of thousands of people would be “at imminent risk of death” if Israel moves forward with the Rafah assault. The border city is a critical entry point for humanitarian aid and is filled with displaced Palestinians, many in densely packed tent camps.

The officials added that the evacuation plan that the Israelis briefed was not finalized and both sides agreed to keep discussing the matter.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters on Friday that no “comprehensive” plan for a potential Rafah operation has been revealed by the Israelis to the White House. The operation, however, has been discussed during recent calls between Biden and Netanyahu as well as during recent virtual talks with top Israeli and U.S. national security officials.

“We want to make sure that those conversations continue because it is important to protect those Palestinian lives — those innocent lives,” Jean-Pierre said.

The revelation of Israel's continued push to carry out a Rafah operation came as CIA director William Burns arrived Friday in Egypt, where negotiators are trying to seal a cease-fire accord between Israel and Hamas.

Hamas is considering the latest proposal for a cease-fire and hostage release put forward by U.S., Egyptian and Qatari mediators, who are looking to avert the Rafah operation.

They have publicly pressed Hamas to accept the terms of the deal that would lead to an extended cease-fire and an exchange of Israeli hostages taken captive on Oct. 7 and Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

Hamas has said it will send a delegation to Cairo in the coming days for further discussions on the offer, though it has not specified when.

Israel, and its allies, have sought to increase pressure on Hamas on the hostage negotiation. Signaling that Israel continues to move forward with its planning for a Rafah operation could be a tactic to nudge the militants to finalize the deal.

Netanyahu said earlier this week that Israeli forces would enter Rafah, which Israel says is Hamas’ last stronghold, regardless of whether a truce-for-hostages deal is struck. His comments appeared to be meant to appease his nationalist governing partners, and it was not clear whether they would have any bearing on any emerging deal with Hamas.

Blinken visited the region, including Israel, this week and called the latest proposal “extraordinarily generous” and said “the time to act is now.”

In Arizona on Friday, Blinken repeated remarks he made earlier this week that "the only thing standing between the people of Gaza and a cease-fire is Hamas.”

The Chahine family prepares to bury two adults and five boys and girls under the age of 16 after an overnight Israeli strike in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Friday, May 3, 2024. An Israeli strike on the city of Rafah on the southern edge of the Gaza Strip killed several people, including children, hospital officials said Friday. (AP Photo/Ismael Abu Dayyah)

The Chahine family prepares to bury two adults and five boys and girls under the age of 16 after an overnight Israeli strike in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Friday, May 3, 2024. An Israeli strike on the city of Rafah on the southern edge of the Gaza Strip killed several people, including children, hospital officials said Friday. (AP Photo/Ismael Abu Dayyah)

FILE - Palestinians line up for free food during the ongoing Israeli air and ground offensive on the Gaza Strip in Rafah, Jan. 9, 2024. A top U.N. official said Friday, May 3, 2024, that hard-hit northern Gaza was now in “full-blown famine" after more than six months of war between Israel and Hamas and severe Israeli restrictions on food deliveries to the Palestinian territory. (AP Photo/Hatem Ali, File)

FILE - Palestinians line up for free food during the ongoing Israeli air and ground offensive on the Gaza Strip in Rafah, Jan. 9, 2024. A top U.N. official said Friday, May 3, 2024, that hard-hit northern Gaza was now in “full-blown famine" after more than six months of war between Israel and Hamas and severe Israeli restrictions on food deliveries to the Palestinian territory. (AP Photo/Hatem Ali, File)

Palestinians rescue a woman survived after the Israeli bombardment on a residential building of Abu Alenan family in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, early Saturday, May 4, 2024. (AP Photo/Ismael Abu Dayyah)

Palestinians rescue a woman survived after the Israeli bombardment on a residential building of Abu Alenan family in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, early Saturday, May 4, 2024. (AP Photo/Ismael Abu Dayyah)

President Joe Biden walks across the South Lawn of the White House as he talks with White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre Thursday, May 2, 2024, in Washington, after returning from a trip to North Carolina. (AP Photo/Mark Schiefelbein)

President Joe Biden walks across the South Lawn of the White House as he talks with White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre Thursday, May 2, 2024, in Washington, after returning from a trip to North Carolina. (AP Photo/Mark Schiefelbein)

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